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Boy Scout child porn guy defended gay discrimination

Tue Mar 29, 2005 at 02:00:25 PM PDT

How's this for hypocrisy.  Douglas S. Smith Jr. was charged with possession of child porn.  Specifically, he had child porn of boys (i.e. other males) in his possession.

The national director of programs for the Boy Scouts of America has been charged with receiving and distributing child pornography, the U.S. Attorney's office here told NBC News on Tuesday.

Douglas S. Smith Jr. was charged with one felony count of having photos that show "minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct."

Sources in the U.S. Attorney's office told NBC that Smith was expected to plead guilty.

The images were of young boys and the investigation started in Germany, the sources added.

Now that we have that out of the way, let's look at a few other issues.  

Update [2005-3-29 18:0:31 by Lipo]:I'm not trying to connect pedophelia/child abuse with homosexuality, just trying to point out the hypocrisy of a man who can discriminate against gays in the name of morals and two hours later immerse himself in the underworld of child pornography. I just want to make that clear because I was posting this while I was on the phone. Apologies for any confusion

First, the Boy Scouts of America actively discriminates against against gays.  We're all well aware of their legal battles to secure their right to openly discriminate.  Then the male director of programs for the openly gay hating Boy Scouts of America is busted with child porn of boys involved in sex acts.

Now one would assume that this guy at the least has a latent, unfulfilled bisexuality stirring somewhere in the deep dark parts of his brain.  The question that popped into my mind when I was reading the post at Pam's House Blend was whether or not he supported the Boy Scout's anti-gay agenda.  Well, needless to say it didn't take a whole lot of searching.

First, I found this letter on the Boy Scouts of America Corporate Legal Times website from a Mr. Bruce Collins:

>I AM an Eagle Scout. My mother was a den mother and my father a pack leader and an assistant scoutmaster. A Cub Scout at the age of 8, I was a patrol leader, senior patrol leader, junior assistant scoutmaster and summer camp assistant scoutmaster. I was selected for the Order of the Arrow and served in the National Scout Service Corps at the New York World's Fair in 1965.

I joined the Explorer Scouts and even attended a national Explorer delegate conference. Scouting gave me opportunities, taught me useful skills and imbued me with many positive values.

James Dale was a Boy Scout who had basically the same involvement in the organization as I had. The only real difference between Dale and me is that he is gay and I am not.

Dale was a 19-year-old assistant scoutmaster when the Scouts discovered he was a homosexual in 1990. They kicked him out. He sued, claiming discrimination. The case, BSA v. Dale, went to the Supreme Court, which ruled in a 5-4 decision that the Scouts had a First Amendment right of expressive association that allowed them to choose their leaders.

Decided in 2000, the case inspired other discrimination claims, and ultimately changed the organization. [...]

There's more, but you get the drift.  Luckily for me, just below this letter was a response, written by one Douglas S. Smith Jr.:

Dear Editor:

Bruce Collins is mistaken when he calls Boy Scouts a "fundamentally different" organization from the one he joined 40 years ago. ["An Eagle Scout Takes Issue With Group's Politics" July, p. 7]. Boy Scouts is the same organization with the same values and goals. What is fundamentally different, however, is our times.

Some intolerant elements in our society want to force scouting to abandon its values and to become fundamentally different. They want scouting to forego its constitutional rights, affirmed in 2000 by the Supreme Court in BSA v. Dale, and adopt fundamentally different values from the ones that helped shape the character of Mr. Collins and 106 million other young men over the past 94 years.

It bothers Mr. Collins that scouting is defending itself, even though he acknowledged that it has been "dragged into" the "culture war." He says the tone of our legal-issues web site, bsalegal.org, is defensive. The site does seek to defend our values and to inform the public about the three-decade-long legal assault on scouting. That we need a legal-issues web site is testament to the fact that our constitutional rights are under attack.

Clearly, Mr. Collins longs for a time when the Boy Scout organization could give its undivided attention to the "good stuff" of Scouting: "camping and life skills ..." So do we. Mr. Collins would do well to communicate his displeasure to those directing their discriminatory assault against his beloved Boy Scouts -- the ACLU.

Douglas S. Smith Jr.
National Director of Program
Boy Scouts of America

Now I don't know about anybody else, but to me, that sounds like he's defending, quite vehemently but respectfully, the BSA's anti-gay position.  Defending an anti-gay agenda is bad enough, but then going home and rubbing one out to pictures of young boys having sex?

I'll let you connect the mental dots on this one.

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  •  Was just a little curious (4.00 / 3)

    I figured he probably was a defender of the Boy Scouts policy of kicking out "the gays", but wanted to see if he'd actually written anything about it publicly.

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    by Lipo on Tue Mar 29, 2005 at 02:00:39 PM PDT

  •  Hmmm (none / 1)

    Isn't this almost exactly a plot of an episode of South Park?
  •  I'm shocked, I tell you. SHOCKED! n/t (none / 0)

    In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.
             ~George Orwell

    by outragemeter on Tue Mar 29, 2005 at 02:01:42 PM PDT

    •  just for the record (none / 0)

      it's the hypocrisy, not the sexual orientation that's at issue.

      In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.
               ~George Orwell

      by outragemeter on Tue Mar 29, 2005 at 02:27:51 PM PDT

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      •  Right, I realize that was the point (none / 0)

        of this diary.

        It just might not be crystal clear to some people, that's all.  I see what the diarist was saying, but I just thought I'd make the point that we don't want to start thinking that pedophilia = gay.

        •  Yeah, I agree with you (none / 0)

          so that's why I amended my comment. I'm a dyke, so I tend to make that analysis automatically. But not everyone does, and not always out of malice or bias, just unfamiliarity with the issue.

          In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.
                   ~George Orwell

          by outragemeter on Tue Mar 29, 2005 at 02:38:04 PM PDT

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        •  This doesn't help... (none / 0)

          "Defending an anti-gay agenda is bad enough, but then going home and rubbing one out to pictures of young boys having sex?"

          If the diarist had said: "... pictures of children having sex?", it would have made all the difference to me.

          "I was so easy to defeat, I was so easy to control, I didn't even know there was a war." -9.75, -8.41

          by RonV on Tue Mar 29, 2005 at 02:40:06 PM PDT

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  •  Wait a minute (4.00 / 5)

    There is a gigantic difference (indeed, no comparison) between pedophilia and sexual orientation, even if it's a male pedophile who likes young boys.

    Huge difference.

    For instance, John Wayne Gacy liked young boys.  He was a sexual sadist who tortured and killed 33 young boys (teenagers).

    That didn't mean he was gay.  It meant he was a sexual sadist, and a serial killer to boot.

    And Jeffrey Dahmer was also a sexual sadist (and serial killer) whose taste just happened to include young boys (but not exclusively - some victims were adult men.).

    Gay rights groups were furious when the media emphasized over and over again that he was "a sexual deviant who liked boys".

    It's all about two words:

    consenting adults.

    Gacy's victims didn't ask to be tortured and killed.  Dahmer's victims certainly didn't enjoy having holes drilled in their skulls, murdered, and dismembered.

    •  Thanks.. (none / 0)

      You saved me from having to make that point.

      Pedophilia is child abuse. Plain and simple.

      "I was so easy to defeat, I was so easy to control, I didn't even know there was a war." -9.75, -8.41

      by RonV on Tue Mar 29, 2005 at 02:21:21 PM PDT

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    •  Very True (none / 1)

      The point on this is not whether he looked at boys or girls, but that a man who spouted moral platitudes looked at children. While deeming morally upstanding gays unfit to be around children, he himself turns out to be the true threat.
      •  Exactly (none / 0)

        I guess I didn't make that clear.  I was a little rushed when I posted this and probably could have come across a little better.  It just made me wonder if this guy who supposedly is a moral man and strives to instill values in children and young men is the type of man we're so familiar with.  You know, the type who espouses family and the sanctity of (pick a cause) then turns around and abuses children at the same time.

        He is, and that's my point.

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        by Lipo on Tue Mar 29, 2005 at 02:50:46 PM PDT

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    •  Blithering Nonsense (none / 0)

      Douglas Smith is not a serial killer.  He looked at flat images.

      The poster's signature line demonstrates the intellectual bankruptcy of the post above it.  

      Oscar Fingal O'Flahertie Wills Wilde was born in Dublin, Ireland, in 1854. His father was a surgeon: Sir William Wilde, his mother a hostess. He went to Trinity College in Dublin, then Magdalen College, Oxford. OW proved was brilliant in all fields, but especially literature-  he won the prestigious Newdigate Prize for `Ravenna'- a poem he wrote in college. 1881 saw his 1st book, Poems, published. He soon lit out for America & a lucrative lecture year-long tour. By 1890 he had become an international theatrical sensation- both for his own randy persona, as well as his hugely successful (literarily & financially) comedies Lady Windermere's Fan (1892), A Woman of No Importance (1893), An Ideal Husband (1895), & The Importance of Being Ernest (1895). By this time the bisexual OW was more well-known for his infidelities with young boys- especially the notorious Rimbaud wannabe Lord Alfred Douglas- aka Bosie. LAD's dad, the Marquis of Queensberry loathed the debauched & notorious OW, labeled him a fiend, publicly insulted him, then ignited a trio of legal farces which led to OW's exposure as a definite homosexual, & possible pedophile, & being sentenced to 2 years in prison- hard labor, which eventually broke the body & spirit of the once ultra-enthusiastic raconteur. By his release in 1897, bankrupt and weakened, OW had no friends, his wife & children had left for the continent, & had to rely on the generosity of friends. He moved to France, under the pseudonym Sebastian Melmoth. He had 1 last burst of creativity left- he wrote his famous poem on his jailhouse life, The Ballad of Reading Gaol, then died, expatriated & penniless, in 1900, in France.

      The story here is the double standard.  Oscar Wilde was not a serial killer, nor is Douglas Smith.
      Hal C.
      •  Pedophilia is Sexual Abuse (none / 1)

        What is your point?  Pedophilia is sexual abuse.  And when someone looks at pictures of sexual abuse, they are supporting those who produce those images.   It may also be considered a form of abuse itself, since the person who looks at the pictures is violating the child's sexual privacy.

        And what on Earth is the point of the Wilde passage.  If Wilde sexually abused boys, then we should condemn that wholeheartedly.

        •  Balderdash (none / 0)

          These heinous views are all too common in the up-tight anti-sex anti-fun anti-everything culture of sexual fear that pervades America.

          Example.  In the mid-nineties I took a role of pictures of my infant daughter and some were bathtub pictures.  As I dropped off the film in Philly, I commented about the guy who had felony child porno charges lodged against him for taking pictures of his own infant from under a glass table.  The clerk said they called the fbi whenever they had photos of nude kids.  I grabbed my film and left.

          This is an America that if you take pictures of your own kid in their birthday suit you risk a felony.

          So you have joined the puritans that attacked Oscar Wilde and that kept me from having my own infant's baby pictures developed.

          For the right to take baby pictures.

          Hal C.

  •  Hmmm - you link doesn't work (none / 0)

    I have no doubt that it used to - I suspect the Boy Scouts are "housecleaning :))
    http://www.bsalegal.org/brucecol-181.htm

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    by tiponeill on Tue Mar 29, 2005 at 02:32:28 PM PDT

  •  Preview of tomorrow's Cheers and Jeers... (4.00 / 3)


    My partner, Michael, and I are Eagle Scouts. We've said many times that the national office---which bans gays from being scouts or scout leaders---will have to pry our Eagle badges from our cold dead hands.

    See, the leadership of the BSA claims that allowing gays in will lead to an epidemic of predatory behavior, putting "the children" in danger.

    Yesterday a "high-ranking" Boy Scouts executive--one of the upholders if the gay ban--was brought up on charges of possessing kiddie porn: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151838,00.html. Another sicko in the "epidemic" of gay predators in the Scouts?

    Not quite. Spokesman Gregg Shields said this yesterday: "This is the first time ever we recall anything like this being charged against a Boy Scouts employee. We're proud of our dedicated and hardworking people, but never heard of anything like this."

    Did we mention the Boy Scouts have been around since 1910? Some epidemic.

  •  BSA (none / 0)

    The BSA are closely tied to government that they are quasi-governmental.  For one, they have a congressionally granted exclusive use of the phrase "Boy Scouts".  There was an attempt to create the "American Boy Scouts", but the BSA successfully sued them.

    Secondly, the President is the honorary head of the BSA.  If the BSA had a "no Jews allowed" policy, can you imagine the uproar over the President being the honorary head of the organization?

    From ReligiousTolerance.org:

    The BSA does not have a merit badge on religious or spiritual knowledge. However, about 5% of Boy Scouts have completed a religious program with their own faith group and may be allowed to wear the corresponding religious emblem on their Scout uniform. This privilege is granted by the BSA to dozens of religions and denomination, if the course meets their standards. The emblems are supplied by the denomination, or by P.R.A.Y, an independent agency, 6 after the youth completes their faith group's course. For example, the Unitarian Universalist Association has a Love and Help course and emblem for Tiger Cubs and Cub Scouts. They have a Religion in Life course and emblem for Boy Scouts and Explorers. Permission to wear their emblems was rescinded, then restored, then re-rescinded by the BSA because the course does not meet their standards in the teaching of sexual orientation, and deity. The Roman Catholic church has courses and emblems called Light of Christ for cubs, Ad Altare Dei for Boy Scouts, and Pope Pius XII for explorers.

    The BSA not only excludes gays and non-believers, but judges the religious affiliation of the scouts.

    If they want to be seen as a private organization, they should divest themselves of ties to government.

    It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners.

    by A Citizen on Tue Mar 29, 2005 at 02:39:37 PM PDT

  •  separated at birth?? (none / 0)

    James Dale was a gay kick out of being an assistant scoutmaster

    James Dale Guckert aka bulldog aka Jeff Gannon...

    hmmm

    is this like news of the weird have the middle name Wayne, as in John Wayne Gacey??

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    by teacherken on Tue Mar 29, 2005 at 02:54:43 PM PDT

  •  "Chairman, Youth Protection Task Force" (none / 1)

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    by snoopydog on Tue Mar 29, 2005 at 03:41:02 PM PDT

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